Another man has come in, about my age, grey hair, blue cardigan. The woman is showing him round. He stops at a wrought-iron piece.

What's this? Is it part of the church or part of the exhibition?

It's in the exhibition.

Is it? What is it? What's it meant to be?

Well, it's a... I don't think I should say. You know, you have to use your imagination. I suppose it's whatever you want it to be.

Yes, but what's it meant to be? Is it a pulpit? Is it a cage? It looks a bit like a... Well, it looks as if you could go and stand in the middle of it.

You can, if you like.

No, no. Better not. But it looks as if it's meant for something. What's it called?

It's called 'Sanctuary'.

Why's it called that?

Well, it's a... well... a sanctuary is a protected space.

Is it?

Yes - you know, in the old days. If you were in trouble with the law, or if somebody was out for your blood, people used to be able to claim protection on church premises. I suppose that's what this piece refers to.

Hm.

But, I suppose it's also meant to make you think... you know, about what a sanctuary is, about the idea of a protected space, and about, about what we need sanctuary from. I think we all need a bit of sanctuary now and then, don't we? So, I suppose that's what it, what it, not what it means exactly, but what it refers to. Although you could also say it's just a nice object purely as a sculpture, a nice piece of wrought iron.

Hm.

It does seem to be one of the pieces that always catches people's attention.

Hm. Well, don't get me wrong, I'm not against modern art, I like modern art, I like some modern art...

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